I love the way he looks at love for other/self as linked as well as putting a bigger burden on society rather than blaming individuals or parents so much. We all exist in a context, a culture. How can we nurture thriving ones for ourselves and all life?
So true, Alicia, it was so easy for them to 'blame' the individual and their genetics/repressions rather than teach people how to understand and tolerate each other. Another way to pit us against each other and avert our eyes to the 'real' problem which was of the course the terrible inequality and poor conditions that people had to suffer (and still do today in different ways) if they are not part of 'the club.'
Yes, of course you are right (or least I think/feel you are!) Yesterday I had such a cool interaction with woman who is getting a masters in art therapy who is open to looking more critically at various contributors to the field of psychology...just the willingness to be open to looking at a whole picture, was refreshing...but the real highlight was this woman next me was reading a book called Forgiveness and I was led to initiate connecting around the title of the book, so I did. We had the most amazing conversation (and my husband too) about the full spectrum of some of the topics you and I have talked about here, but from a Christian lens, starting with forgiving in a way that brings wholeness and what freedom means in the context of reconciliation - with ourselves, with God, with the land, with one another...the butterfly imaginal cell analogy...I mentioned how I think what Jesus meant when he said "You will do even greater things than I" is that if we are all imaginal cells, we can actually birth heaven on earth; while he could walk on water and rise from the dead, we as a whole, as "little christs" have the potential to do so! She shared something I didn't know about Martin Luther (He was extremely anti-Jewish - I no longer say semitic because it's not accurate) and when I observed, "Jesus was a Jew who loved Palestinians," she was like, "YEAH."
I love this! Thank you so much Sue! I've always liked what I've come across of Eric Fromm. I interestingly just learned for the deep British roots of eugenics in collectivism, the British left in a way I hadn't previously. I've always felt in my heart/soul that both stakeholder capitalism and communism/leftism are two sides of the same coin or the same actor in a different suit/costume/underllying character. I've never felt the answer lie in one political ideology over another but in surrendering to grace and remembering our sovereign divinity and birthing divine paradigms based on a pure heart, discernment and unconditional divine love that isn't co-opted by evil.
Thank you, Alicia. I love Erich Fromm too and have several of his books to share which tell the story of the trajectory of the 'having' political ideology which has led us to where we are today and the need for us to return to a 'being' culture where we are nurtured to become our best selves and live our lives in peace and happiness. Erich saw the urgent need for making this transition in 1979 when he wrote 'To Have or To Be' which details the failure of 'the Great Promise' which he describes as 'the end of an illusion.'
I have a feeling that everything Jung is reversed...in the sense that it seems to me that in cultures that don't have the "being" disconnect, the universe of symbology that bridges language and being - such as indigenous cultures - what to Jung is primarily unconscious or in Freud, "repressed," is actually in the collective consciousness of the indigenous peoples from whom we have so much to learn to get reconnected. It sounds and feels to me like Erich Fromm felt, sensed, understood this too. I'd love to hear your thoughts! <3
What a brilliant analogy, Alicia. I absolutely agree that Jung focused primarily on the unconscious and Freud on the repressed which are dangerously bias. No wonder they are the names people know about and Erich Fromm much less so. Similar to Abraham Maslow who I love to pieces because he studied healthy, happy people and wanted to know what made them so whereas Jung and Freud focused on what was 'wrong' with people - totally disregarding the fact that people who had nothing and suffered great hardships were able to live good lives by making the most of what they had and by loving and helping each other.
I'm not sure I trust his vibe anymore than I do of the white guys, but I like what he says a lot better! He has military/episcopal background and his son carrying on his work is Harvard, so those are some signals to be slightly wary...while appreciative. Promis scandal afterall, utilized indigenous land.
Erica Neeganagwedgin has a truly good feel to me although I don't know anything about her other than I just read an article by her and shared it with my son and it really resonated!
"white guys" meaning the traditional white male psychologists like Jung, Freud, skinner, along with a few other white men from that time period I've come across lately - not all white dudes!
Oooooh! <3 <3 <3 I would love to learn from you anything you'd like to share! And FYI I was thinking of you these last few days and hoping you're doing okay/well!!
Bless you, Alicia. I have been very busy finishing my Unisey website to share my late Dad, Jeff Cartwright's work. So thrilled with it but not quite ready to launch yet as I need to set up another Substack for this. It was also my birthday so I've been away for a few days which was a very welcome break from the machine!
Very interesting read. I can relate to what the young fella is on about. My father is a narcissist who bullied and abused my mother mentally and everyone around him. So no family love. At 17 I began travelling around the world. Karma was the first lesson. Graciously accepting unconditional Karma from the local people teaches you to graciously give Karma unconditionally. This I believe allowed me to love myself unconditionally and love all the amazing people I met unconditionally. The feeling of being connected to every other Soul gave me an out of body experience that was Enlightening. 40 years later I still have no experience that comes anything close to that feeling. Last year I spent some time in the Australian desert as far from anywhere as you can get to clear my head. But I still felt the world’s pain.
What a beautiful story, Allan, I can't imagine no family love so young and then to have found unconditional love in such a way is incredible. It shows what we can do when we listen to our heart and when we are kind to each other. It is a feeling hard to describe, I had a loving family and they have all gone from this Earth but so fortunate to still feel their love. Alone time is so important and being in Nature is a great comfort too. I love Erich Fromm and so glad this book resonates with you.
I love the way he looks at love for other/self as linked as well as putting a bigger burden on society rather than blaming individuals or parents so much. We all exist in a context, a culture. How can we nurture thriving ones for ourselves and all life?
So true, Alicia, it was so easy for them to 'blame' the individual and their genetics/repressions rather than teach people how to understand and tolerate each other. Another way to pit us against each other and avert our eyes to the 'real' problem which was of the course the terrible inequality and poor conditions that people had to suffer (and still do today in different ways) if they are not part of 'the club.'
Yes, of course you are right (or least I think/feel you are!) Yesterday I had such a cool interaction with woman who is getting a masters in art therapy who is open to looking more critically at various contributors to the field of psychology...just the willingness to be open to looking at a whole picture, was refreshing...but the real highlight was this woman next me was reading a book called Forgiveness and I was led to initiate connecting around the title of the book, so I did. We had the most amazing conversation (and my husband too) about the full spectrum of some of the topics you and I have talked about here, but from a Christian lens, starting with forgiving in a way that brings wholeness and what freedom means in the context of reconciliation - with ourselves, with God, with the land, with one another...the butterfly imaginal cell analogy...I mentioned how I think what Jesus meant when he said "You will do even greater things than I" is that if we are all imaginal cells, we can actually birth heaven on earth; while he could walk on water and rise from the dead, we as a whole, as "little christs" have the potential to do so! She shared something I didn't know about Martin Luther (He was extremely anti-Jewish - I no longer say semitic because it's not accurate) and when I observed, "Jesus was a Jew who loved Palestinians," she was like, "YEAH."
I love this! Thank you so much Sue! I've always liked what I've come across of Eric Fromm. I interestingly just learned for the deep British roots of eugenics in collectivism, the British left in a way I hadn't previously. I've always felt in my heart/soul that both stakeholder capitalism and communism/leftism are two sides of the same coin or the same actor in a different suit/costume/underllying character. I've never felt the answer lie in one political ideology over another but in surrendering to grace and remembering our sovereign divinity and birthing divine paradigms based on a pure heart, discernment and unconditional divine love that isn't co-opted by evil.
Thank you, Alicia. I love Erich Fromm too and have several of his books to share which tell the story of the trajectory of the 'having' political ideology which has led us to where we are today and the need for us to return to a 'being' culture where we are nurtured to become our best selves and live our lives in peace and happiness. Erich saw the urgent need for making this transition in 1979 when he wrote 'To Have or To Be' which details the failure of 'the Great Promise' which he describes as 'the end of an illusion.'
I have a feeling that everything Jung is reversed...in the sense that it seems to me that in cultures that don't have the "being" disconnect, the universe of symbology that bridges language and being - such as indigenous cultures - what to Jung is primarily unconscious or in Freud, "repressed," is actually in the collective consciousness of the indigenous peoples from whom we have so much to learn to get reconnected. It sounds and feels to me like Erich Fromm felt, sensed, understood this too. I'd love to hear your thoughts! <3
What a brilliant analogy, Alicia. I absolutely agree that Jung focused primarily on the unconscious and Freud on the repressed which are dangerously bias. No wonder they are the names people know about and Erich Fromm much less so. Similar to Abraham Maslow who I love to pieces because he studied healthy, happy people and wanted to know what made them so whereas Jung and Freud focused on what was 'wrong' with people - totally disregarding the fact that people who had nothing and suffered great hardships were able to live good lives by making the most of what they had and by loving and helping each other.
Have you read Deloria? Come up twice in two days!
No, I haven't. I will investigate further, thank you.
I'm not sure I trust his vibe anymore than I do of the white guys, but I like what he says a lot better! He has military/episcopal background and his son carrying on his work is Harvard, so those are some signals to be slightly wary...while appreciative. Promis scandal afterall, utilized indigenous land.
Erica Neeganagwedgin has a truly good feel to me although I don't know anything about her other than I just read an article by her and shared it with my son and it really resonated!
"white guys" meaning the traditional white male psychologists like Jung, Freud, skinner, along with a few other white men from that time period I've come across lately - not all white dudes!
Oooooh! <3 <3 <3 I would love to learn from you anything you'd like to share! And FYI I was thinking of you these last few days and hoping you're doing okay/well!!
Bless you, Alicia. I have been very busy finishing my Unisey website to share my late Dad, Jeff Cartwright's work. So thrilled with it but not quite ready to launch yet as I need to set up another Substack for this. It was also my birthday so I've been away for a few days which was a very welcome break from the machine!
That sounds exciting and also like a whole ton of work! <3 <3 <3 Happy Happy Birthday! Loads of love and blessings to you!
Very interesting read. I can relate to what the young fella is on about. My father is a narcissist who bullied and abused my mother mentally and everyone around him. So no family love. At 17 I began travelling around the world. Karma was the first lesson. Graciously accepting unconditional Karma from the local people teaches you to graciously give Karma unconditionally. This I believe allowed me to love myself unconditionally and love all the amazing people I met unconditionally. The feeling of being connected to every other Soul gave me an out of body experience that was Enlightening. 40 years later I still have no experience that comes anything close to that feeling. Last year I spent some time in the Australian desert as far from anywhere as you can get to clear my head. But I still felt the world’s pain.
What a beautiful story, Allan, I can't imagine no family love so young and then to have found unconditional love in such a way is incredible. It shows what we can do when we listen to our heart and when we are kind to each other. It is a feeling hard to describe, I had a loving family and they have all gone from this Earth but so fortunate to still feel their love. Alone time is so important and being in Nature is a great comfort too. I love Erich Fromm and so glad this book resonates with you.